Karen’s Story & Responses

Friends of Facebook, I feel like writing this today.

Bear with me- it’s a long ‘un, and may contain surprises

So. Back in April I discovered I was pregnant (yay!), and towards the end of June we found out it was not to be (not so yay).

This morning, I should have been in the Rotunda with a full bladder, having my twelve week scan. Instead, I was in Glasnevin crematorium, leading a funeral. Kinda apt.

I’m sharing this now because not to share feels like withholding. I know for sure that it’s a topic we don’t talk about enough. We’re too afraid to say the wrong thing (In fairness there’s nothing much anyone can say, other than “Oh NO, that’s shit. Let me know if there’s anything I can do for you”) That’s always nice to hear.

The other reason I’m sharing this, is because it would be remiss of me not to acknowledge the fact that I am now living the reality of being a woman living DIRECTLY under the looming threat of the 8th Amendment.

This pregnancy was very welcome, and much wanted. However, there came the time when it was very apparent that it was not going to continue, and it would not result in a baby- no matter what anyone did or said or wanted. Nature was taking her course, and so I did what I always do- I trusted my body and I went along with it.

Thankfully, all has gone smoothly, and although I’m tired and physically depleted, my health is intact. Other women are not so lucky. As I was miscarrying, I was very aware that of anything should go wrong, if I got an infection or if I started to haemorrhage, the healthcare I would receive would be severely restricted- because of the 8th Amendment.

As long as there was a trace of life in my uterus, that potential life would carry equal weight to my actual life- even though the potential for life would OBVIOUSLY end if my life ended.

I want to rant and rave about how STUPID that is! I want to rant and rave about how the 8th Amendment RISKS lives and TAKES lives- it doesn’t save them.

And so I lay in bed, reading articles about this nonsense we call the 8th Amendment and- more importantly- the comments people were writing on them. Comments from people I know, who I thought would know better, who clearly had no idea of the true reality of what they’re so vehemently protecting when they defend the 8th.

I have so much to say about this, but for now I want to drive a very real point home.

I have spent the last three weeks at the mercy of the 8th Amendment. If you love me, and if you value my life, PLEASE inform yourself about what the 8th Amendment really means.

I trust you to value my life. I trust you to value my role as a living and breathing mother to my living and breathing son. I trust you to vote to #RepealThe8th. Please trust me to make my own decisions about my body, my family and my healthcare.

And if you think it will help someone to understand the reality behind the campaign to Repeal the 8th, please feel free to share ❤️

#TrustWomen #RepealThe8th

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Jennifer Juniper Varon Beautifully said. ❤️

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Alix Flewers I want to share this but I caaaan’t! 

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Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh Oops, try now?! ?❤️

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Lindsay Stevens I’m sorry you lost your baby Karen, and thank you for sharing this, written with beauty and courage. I don’t know where I’ve been but I didn’t know what the 8th amendment is exactly, thank you for naming its extreme importance xx

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Jennifer Juniper Varon I’m sorry for your loss and I would very much like to share this too! ❤️

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Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh Can you share now?! 

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Jennifer Juniper Varon Yup just did!

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Sorcha Ni Thiobraide Very brave ❤️❤️

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Mary Lavelle Very powerful and brutally honest Karen. They broke the mound when they made you #repealthe8th

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Helen Keane Very well said and im so very sorry for your loss x

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Tricia Mcgrath Very sorry to hear your sad news Karen and Liam… you are so right in your words. You are using this sad experience to help inform and educate people so fair play to you. Hope you are recovering as well as can be expected xx

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Michelle Kinsella Lee I’m so sorry for you guys ❤️ But those words ❤️❤️❤️❤️

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Caoilfhionn Ní Murchu Karen, I’m so sorry you went through this, but I admire your bravery and honesty in living and speaking your truth….. your eloquence and honesty are commendable. I will be returning in a couple of weeks, and will stand with you in your campaign to repeal the 8th xXxX

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Carolyn Arnold {{{hugs}}} for what you’ve been and are going through. I really hope compassion gets a chance both south and north xxx

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Monica Douglas-Clark Thank you for this deep share Karen x well done for calling out for people to be informed and at choice.

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Lynda Moore Very well written and I am so sorry about that really sad news, thank you so much for speaking up for women x

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Heather E. Beckett Oakes I’m so sorry for your loss Karen. Thank you for sharing your compelling words.

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Amy Bebbington You’re brave. And great. And I’m so sorry for you and Liam (and beineans) loss. I’ve shared this post if OK #trustwomen

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Sharon Redican Karen and Liam so sorry to hear your sad news. ❤️

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Melanie Restall I’m so very sorry, Karen, for your sad loss, and am sending waves of love and hugs… And gratitude for speaking out with such clarity and drive.xxx

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Gillian Moore-Farrell So sorry to hear of your loss Karen and thank you for your bravery.

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Anna Doyle What a wonderful legacy you have created in this statement. Even though your pregnancy was not to be it will leave an lasting impact on so many. Sorry you had to go through this it is shit. Delighted you could turn it to such a positive educational statement. If there is anything I can do beside continually share this and educate about the eight please let me know. Solidarity Sister from a mum who had to go full term.

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Katie Noel Very generous and moving Karen. Thank you for sharing and sorry for your loss xxx

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Betty Purcell Ah my darling Karen, how very sad for you. And how brave of you to share your vulnerability and resilience. You are a true humanist and I salute and hug you.

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Ailish Farragher  sorry for your loss, Karen. Thank you for your thoughtful clarity in writing on such a complex experience. 

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Aisling O’ Sullivan Very powerful Karen. Hearing real stories from people affected(or potentially affected) really helps the message carry further. Very brave of you and I hope you are starting to feel better x

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Gillian Demurtas Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh I admire & respect you even more after reading your heartfelt & passionate post.
I’m so sorry your pregnancy did not progress. ?
Thank you for using your life and your love to elevate our hearts and minds.
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Éadaoin Curtin Karen, I’m so very sorry for your loss, and so very sorry that you had to come face to face with the absolute inhumanity of our constitution. Thank you for sharing your story so eloquently. Much love to you, brave woman, and if there’s anything I can do, just let me know. 

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Treacy O’Connor Brave warrior woman. Heartfelt hugs and blessings to you, your family and the spirit of the little one beside you xxx

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Paul Beggan Hey Karen. Thinking of you all over there. Let us know if you need anything and we’ll try to help. Pass on my love to Liam and Beineain.

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Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh Thanks Paul! Looking forward to seeing you all soon ❤️?xxxx

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Hazel Melia I value your life & I trust you to make your own decisions & I am so deeply sorry that you lost your baby. Well put. Big hugs ?

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Jane Hughes So sorry Karen, I agree with every word you wrote, lots of love to you both ??

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Anne Baker You are both brave and strong.
Blessings to you.

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Emma Rankine This is so moving and thought provoking. So sorry for all you’ve been through. Much love xxxx

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Emily McElarney So sorry for your loss – I have been there too and will fight on to #repealthe8th

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Emily McElarney If you need a friend in the wilderness feel free to get in touch x

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Geraldine O’Grady Sorry for ur loss Karen. I admire ur thoughtfulness in sharing for the right reason.

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Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh You people are all amazing, THANK YOU so much! It’s so heartening to see all this support from people who really get it. You all give me hope that this can change. #Repeal ❤️❤️?xxxx

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Brenda Dunne Very sorry for your loss Karen miscarriage can be a very lonely grief and you’ve been very open ❤️

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Carol Jordan Costello So sorry for your loss. Look after yourself x

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Jane Johnstone Love you Karen and So totally with you in every word, as always you say it so well because you are so real. I’m so sorry you’ve been given this pain , the much love around you will help you carry it , mind yourself so well, will be thinking of you. X

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Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh Thank you darling Jane ❤️❤️?xxxxxxx

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Joanne Marley Ah god Karen I’m so sorry to hear that. Hope your doing ok. Look after yourself and take things easy for the mo.xxxx

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Sheila Scott Karen I am so sorry for your loss. As always you are so open and brave to share your experience. Much love

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Leigh Brady Sending love and a big hug Karen. To borrow your words, let me know if there is anything I can do for you (besides supporting the #RepealThe8th Campaign, which you know I do ). And I mean it. Take care xxx

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Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh I know you do Leigh, thank you ❤️❤️?

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Leona Mc Mahon So brave, so true and so sad we’ve to make mothers feel this fear when they’re already struggling with loss and pain. Sincere sympathy for your loss. Thanks for writing this.

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Claire Mount Thank you for sharing – sending you much love and healing and I will share your post xxxx

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Aniela Korabinska ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️to all your family x

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Shauna Lenagh As ever, beautifully said & written my friend. ❤️ to you & Liam.

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Sarah Cavanagh Sorry for your loss

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Lisa Cescon So sorry for your loss Karen. Thank you for sharing your story 

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Magdalena Moryson Thank you for your courage to be so open & vulnerable and sharing this story. You are one amazing lady who is not afraid to speak up, stand up & to lead the way. I admire that. Sorry for your loss, I share the same pain. Warmest hugs.

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Catherine Ann Cullen Much love and strength to you , Karen x

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Eric Lidwell Karen. So sorry to hear of your sad loss. thinking of you , look after yourself

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Ann Cannon Oh Karen I am so sorry. Know that I am thinking of you.It is so hard when this happen. I know from experience if there is anything I can do please let me know.
Big hugs.
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Annette Mc Carthy Sorry for your loss.❤️shared.

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Fiona Connaghan So sorry for your loss, and so brave and strong of you to share it. ❤️

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Eric Lidwell Karen. So sorry to hear of your sad loss. thinking of you . look after yourself

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Abby McSherry Much love to you. I lost 4 pregnancies and 5 babies, the first three were straight forward if such an awful thing can be described as such, I mean there was no heartbeat and d and c was carried out as standard without question. The fourth time I knew it was twins when the miscarriage started but one foetus still had a heartbeat and they just left me bleeding and kept on monitoring and monitoring, I thought they were hoping that the remaining baby would survive but then a midwife said ah we’re just waiting for the heart to stop there is no hope just we can’t do a d and c until it has died too. I didnt understand this was as a result of the 8th until years later with the Galway tragedy. I was left in a dangerous condition for three days with a risk of infection just to wait for a heartbeat that had no future because if a religion that I do not share. This experience is part of the reason I support this cause. No woman should have to go through this risk to “protect” a life that has no future. My heart goes out to you at this time though. By the way the next baby I carried is now 13 and away at his first gaelteacht!

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Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh Oh God Abby that’s horrendous, and so bloody acceptable in this country- it’s so incredibly wrong!! Huge love to you, let’s get this changed ❤️❤️❤️

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Rebecca Flynn I’m really sorry for your loss, it’s so sad and unfair. The 8th punishes women when we’re at our most vulnerable, it is shameful. Thank you for sharing your story with us.

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Sheila M. Cullen I am very sorry for your loss. Best wishes to you and yours from Key West.

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Susan McGrady I’m so so sorry for your loss. I don’t know you, nor you I, but I’m so sad reading your post. I’m so sorry for your loss and all that you’ve been though, but I’m also filled with admiration that you opened yourself and your heartache up to us, to show how utterly senseless the 8th is.
Thank you for sharing such a deeply personal experience in a way that might just give those who don’t fully understand (or care) such an essential insight into the harm caused by the eight. It is the bravery of folk like you that will shine a lift on the lived horror inflicted by the 8th amendment
Very best wishes, and gratitude xx

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Janice O’Rourke I’m very sorry for your loss Karen. I’ve been there too and remember how deeply my feelings ran at the time and still run. Take care x

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Nicola Grant ‘Do the best you can until you know better. Then, do better’
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Fiona Oleary So sorry Karen, this is such an important post thank you x

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Miriam Kivlehan Well said.

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Therese Cahill I am truly sorry for your loss and thank you sincerely for sharing your pain. This is precisely why we need to repeal the 8th . ❤️❤️❤️❤️

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Jane Lewis I am so Sorry for your loss Karen. And shocked by the rest of what you said. That women might have so little control over their bodies in the 21st century really is appalling.

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Siobhán Heapes – Shivana I’m sorry for your loss. Im sorry you had to go through that. Thank you for your Amazing post. Blessings, S

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Emily King What an eloquently written piece. I’m sorry to hear about your loss. Thank you for letting us share your story x

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Rebecca Conneely So sorry for your loss karen..thankyou for sharing. X

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Catherine O Sullivan So sorry, for your sad loss. Your honesty, strength and courage is inspiring. ♡

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Patricia Zemmour Very sorry for your loss Karen and thank you for being so opened to sharing your story. By showing your vulnerability you show much strength as a human being. THANK YOU?

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Michelle Louise Ridge Ah darling, I’m so sorry to hear this. Hope you guys are doing ok. So brave and important of you to share.xXx

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Carmel Mccabe Scully So sorry for your loss Karen, I was told in 1999 at 31 weeks pregnant that out baby would not survive, I asked to be induced but was told no that this would be classed as euthanasia although my baby had absolutely no chance of survival. I was left to go full term knowing my baby was going to die. I was basically told the best thing that can happen is that the heartbeat will stop, then come to hospital and we will induce. The pain of carrying on with this pregnancy knowing the outcome and being stopped in the street by people
Saying oh your blooming won’t be long now.is a pain no mother should ever have to bear. So now when I’m asked how did you celebrate the ,millennium I say I didn’t I was too busy waiting for my baby to die

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Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh Oh Carmel that’s awful. I can’t understand how so many people just don’t get how wrong that is. It’s torture, and for what?! And the REALLY frustrating thing is that they’d induce at 31 weeks if THEY wanted too- even if it was against your wishes. I’m so angry at how you were treated. Huge love to you ❤️

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Lorna Yespmed I’m so sorry for your loss and for what both you and your baby were put through. It’s inhumane.

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Carmel Mccabe Scully what really makes me angry is all the do gooders out with their plackards preaching about something most of them have never had to experience.I’m one of the lucky ones I have two beautiful daughters and a wonderful three year old grandson?But I also had to endure the birth, followed all too soon death of three sons, how dare anyone tell me that I had no right to terminate earlier if I chose to, It’ s my decision, my body.

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Mary McCallion Dempsey That was unbearable Carmel 

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Rose Walsh Sorry for the loss of your little angel Karen. #RepealThe8th

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Diane Feeley Carter I’m very sorry for your loss, its heartbreaking. Thanks a lot for sharing your story. Thinking of you xxx Hopefully together we can repeal the 8th.

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Sinéad O’Rourke So sorry for your loss Karen. Thank you for sharing your story in the hope that it makes a difference. ??

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Paramjit Oberoi So sorry for your loss . Prayers are with you ❤️

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Teresa Mc Cann Love and light Karen I am going to share your post and know in my heart it will help others to understand. Hope you and yours are healing and coping well xxx

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Thelma Bailey So sorry for your loss Karen

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Clare O Hagan So sorry for your loss Karen. Thank you for continuing to do the work.

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Yvonne Cullen Cooper I’m so sorry to hear that Karen. But what a powerful and well written piece. I Admire your strength and courage. Take care x

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Ella Gleeson I’m so sorry for your loss Karen.

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Ni Bhriain Breathnach Bree Karen I am so terribly sad for you. Thank you so much for writing so eloquently. We need more awareness of how far beyond abortion the 8th reaches. How it affects all aspects of our healthcare in reproductive medicine. I wish you healing and light and will share this. X

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Mia Morrissey So sorry for your family dealing with your loss. Thanks for caring enough to share in your distress .x

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Frances Cunningham Harte Karen…I am really lost for words…….my tears are for your great loss..but also but also tears of pride in having such a couragous woman as you as a friend….God bless you for sharing …xxx

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This beautiful lady has shared her story and it’s a story many of us can relate to. The 8th amendment in Ireland is NOT just about abortion. The 8th as it stands means that women become immediately less important to any foetus they carry and have no legal rights to potentially life saving treatment. Let that just sink in a minute! As soon as a woman becomes pregnant she is legally secondary to that foetus while it is deemed ‘potentially viable’
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Marianne Grogan Karen you’re incredible ?

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All truth & courage & heart from my Rev sister Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh: such an important voice in a truly important conversation… #repealthe8th

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Such a strong post written by a great woman. Please read as the information from her life experience is invaluable. Repeal the 8th Amendment.

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I have tears in my eyes reading Karen’s tenderly and beautifully written piece that I know was not easy to write or go public about. She is that kind of soul who cares for the world and others so much that she searches to find the essence and value in every experience. Brave little prophet and teacher – and our little unborn grandchild too-made its mark – love you and Liam and B xxx so proud ?

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Sumi Olson Sending deepest LOVE. Xxxxxxxxx

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Teresa Mc Cann Love light and respect Karen and I have no doubt in my mind that this shared life experience will help others to understand the hardship and pain that women endure under the 8 th amendment. Sending all best wishes for a safe recovery to you and yours

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Bonnie-Jane Hyland Love for #REPEALTHE8TH love for this strong woman sharing her story love for all the people to come who will have to make hard decisions in regards to their lives because we live in a country that does not trust them. If people are against repealing thSee more

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Do you know what the 8th Amendment is all about? It affects 50% of the population so if you don’t, this is a quick essential read.

This is by a friend of mine who lives in Ireland (the Republic, although I think it would be true in Northern Ireland too). Living in mainland UK we women have a lot to be thankful for when it comes to who has the final say in respect of our bodies. In the 21st century this does shock me.

Fantastic piece, beautifully written and so very, very true.

PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO READ THIS POST IT IS SO IMPORTANT

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We saw this post on our timeline and had to share. The 8th amendment affects ALL pregnant people. Those who want to continue their pregnancy and those who don’t.

It does NOTHING but put women at risk, endanger their lives and sometimes even take their lives. We need to Repeal. Women’s bodies should never have been in the constitution.

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Karen Threemey Amazing. Brave of her to tell her story. The 8th affects ALL pregnant people.

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EVERY woman should have the right to choose or at least get the medical care they need if their life is or has the possibility of being in danger.

Thank you Karen for your bravery and openness in sharing your story.
Breda x

This is one of many stories that need to be told, boldly and bravely. Thank you Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh for your courage in sharing this. I am so sorry for your loss.

A tough read but a great article … although I don’t agree with them I can totally understand why a lot of people are ‘against’ abortion but surely all women deserve fair treatment when it comes to miscarriage … this is what the eight amendment is all about #repealthe8th

It’s not just about the right to abortion, it’s also about medical care, consent and consequences.

If you have any curiosity or need to know how the 8th Amendment affects our female rights to sovereignty over our bodies, please read this beautiful, fierce post from a very special lady.

This is what it means to be a woman of child-bearing age in this country today… Heartachingly and terrifyingly real.

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Prionsais Nic Dhonncha I am so sorry Karen. Sending Hugs.?

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Please read…

Authored by my sister in law Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh

This is the most personal, open and heartfelt post on the 8th Amendment and what it REALLY means for our living, breathing, walking and talking Mothers, Sisters, Daughters, our female friends and colleagues and everyone who relies on women (All of us BTW!)

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My sister is a registered nurse, has midwifery training, she’s a psychotherapist and an interfaith minister (which means she can legally do weddings and funerals for those of any faith or none). She understands better then most what happens to women within our system, I’m sad that she lost her pregnancy but also sad that our country can’t be trusted to protect women’s lives once conception takes place. It’s not a nice subject but Ireland needs to talk.

The 8th amendment affects women with wanted pregnancies every day. I’m so so sorry for your loss Karen x

This. It’s not just about abortion. It’s about basic healthcare for women, even when the baby is very much wanted ?

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Written by our dear friend who married us last year. Really hits home when someone close to you is directly affected by the 8th Amendment. And the thing is, there is always someone close to you, they just might not be able to speak out about it.

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Becky Tiernan Very well written piece and extremely scary. I am glad she is ok. Horrible situation. X

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I went to school with Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh. She’s a clever, funny, charming and wonderful woman and mother – with multiple qualifications (some medical as it happens) to her name. I had a big spiel added but her words don’t need anything extra #trustwomen#repealthe8th#compassion

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Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh Thank you Amy❤️❤️?xxxxx

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Lorraine Palmer Sound words Amy

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My friend Karen Ní Dhíomasaigh wrote this, and I’m sharing it because of the powerful point it makes about the 8th amendment. Thank you Karen for being willing to share your painful experience in order to educate and help people!